Long Gone: Will the earth get along without Afrikan people?

[Obadele Kwame Kambon]

Nana Chancellor Williams once said:

"If the race is incapable of unity, it is incapable of survival as a free and equal people, and will deserve all the iniquities imposed upon it, for it will have proved beyond all question that it is indeed unfit to survive as a people free and equal in every respect whatsoever with the other peoples of the earth."

Without a unified plan of action and in the face of genocide, re-enslavement in prison, nutricide, biological/chemical warfare, etc. will Afrikan people be faced with the world getting along without us? In the face of climate change, will all humanity be faced with the earth cleansing and people going the way of the dinosaurs?

If so, give your thoughts? If not, what will we do and what are we willing to do as Afrikan people to remain on the planet?

[Pastor:Jeanette Flowers]

I awaken today with the same thoughts of will we survive as african people. If the man and woman are divided, the family breaks down, the neighborhood becomes an extension of the war in the home,the city etc... division breaks the circle of a once unified nation. but how were we inticed to such fracturing? It seems that the sankofa shows the glory of a nation, but clearly why make or create such a people that despises the ground we walk on. There are still question of how did they infultraite and why give them the means to destroy africans. Was it hating are OWN skin ,noses ,hair,or did we truely share knowledge for the sake of humanity. I've learned that people no matter what color they are, learn from parents ,enviroment and traditions. In other words you can't give what you don't got. Why are we still fractured,is it , because are skin hasn't changed to as white as snow, as the king james -homosexual-stole knowledge of a african people,tweaked to their agenda ,for the purpose of brainwashing ,egotism,patriarchal ,polygmist, women haters,child abusers,devils,by are own hands we formed them say. Why would( WE) make something different than ourselves to rub it in our faces, to the point of genocide. how beyond slavery did we get here today. I've lived in an abusive relationship for years, my reasoning is I felt obiligated, I thought you married for life. and (god) would take vengense on my behalf. But I come to learn that I should have resolved my own situation. I said that to say this ,my spouse never changed,just like a tiger can't change it's stripes ,somethings are what they are. Did we hold on too long, hoping that they would love us back. Did we think they too would have feelings,so maybe they'll come to the light. Maybe we waited to long hoping, wishing ,praying. only to hear that (god) wasn't going to make them love us. Did we betray are black women for what we thought was more beautiful,more valuable. What was it that got us to this state we're in today. Maybe if we truely knew we could correct the thinking instead of blaming the scape goat. How beyond slavery ,can we as a people thrive when our own children hate us. How do we collectivly resolve our own greed and egotism. Possibly,we should start cleaning our own house,embark on a journy of self actualization. Then give freely to our own household,without pimping everybody. And educate instead of feeling victimised by the situations that we face. Start FREE COLLEGES HOMESCHOOL our own children . stop enlarging ourselves off the backs of the weak. an empower them with strengh, teach our traditions.mostly every discipline in europe was fostered by the african experience,wheather it was torence, socrates, or the likes, teach true civilization. live leanly on the earth for now until we have learned to appericiate the little, don't live in million dallar homes when your brother is homeless. WE can't have the pity like so many of them purpetray that they care when true caring eradicates that which hurts,destroys,belittles,heirarchy. we must be a collective if one hurts we all hurt.no one chief,but all chiefs. i know i don't have all the facts but it seems elementary,basic. Live because we are. Stop preaching confusion,puzzles, calling it critical thinking ,mysteries. Isn't it evident that they got our secrets, maybe we got an ache in the hole.And we are not check-mated. But please help the rest of us so that we can be in alignment. If we are to be annilated then let's go down with honor. But I don't want to keep coming back to the same spot that I left from the past. Cleanse me ,Heal me, Help me to have quality of life. Because it's no fun to be on a island by your self. I don't want to be extinct like the dinosaurs, my spirit rises with the sun,the universe displays my glory I am that I am and will never cease. as with the black holes in space ,infinite. I don't have all the answers,because the rest of the equation is in the collective minds of the many. We just need to stop feeling helpless, It's an illusion to keep us from doing what we do best. living black and there is no other.If they believe we are no longer useful ,try killing us then we'll all know. Maybe as it says in the book of Neiamiah: we'll have to separate our selves from the accursed thing to be cleansed, because thats what they are going to do. They are using our own Quabahlah own us. It's a game of chess and they haven't won the game yet. auset

[Aja]

Brother Obadele, I appreciate you posing this question because I think it is one that the conscious community has the most difficulty grappling with and accepting as truth, and therefore does not deal with. We are a community that seeks truth as the foundation of our reafrikanization, and the truth of the matter is that our annihilation has been in the europeans plans for centuries, and now we are staring the manifestation of that successfully executed plan in the face and it is our duty to figure out how we are going to survive the extermination of Afrikan people.

There will NOT be a revolution. We have no army, we have no weapons that are not provided to us by the us military, we dont have a strategic plan. War is about strategy, logic, and one or more major goal - like chess- and we have had since the european invasion of the motherland to regroup and reunify. Unfortunately we have run out of time. If we look at Afrikan people anywhere across the globe, we are dying in MASSIVE numbers. The continent is plagued with AIDS laced "vaccinations", we are killing eachother with the white boys weapons that they gave us FOR THAT PURPOSE, we have all of the other death traps Brother Obadele mentions in the introduction of the forum, and most importantly, we have been intentionally stripped of our culture (on and off the continent) so as to not comprehend who our enemy is and what they are in fact doing to us. If we take a logical, honest, analytical look at the situation at hand, the chances of the large portion of us (families and the generations after them) making it out alive 100 years from now are slim to none.

But that is no excuse for hopelessness or to throw in the towel. What this reality presents to us is an opportunity to become even more strategic, more analytical, and more creative in our genius Afrikan problem solving minds.

I do want to be clear about one thing sister jeanett mentioned tho, identifying the enemy is not creating a scapegoat. Let's pretend for just one moment that 9/11 was an actual taliban attack, and not a pre-conceived governmental massacre of their own people for monitary profit - if 9/11 had been real, all the americans could blame the air traffic control, the maryland air force base, and whomever else for being to lax, not being on their jobs, and allowing the towers to be hit. Although all that may be true, the fact would still remain (and again this is in our pretend situation) that the Taliban planned the destruction of the towers for years, organized themselves to get onto the planes with weapons and then executed their plan, and are therefore the ENEMY of the white boys and girls.

So bringing it back to the Afrikan side of things, the first large group of slaves arrived in 1520 to Cuba, they say in 1619 in America, Nigeria notes the early 1500's as the beginning fo the slave trade and we know back in 1492 the good ol chris columbus sailed the ocean blue to rape pillage, murder, enslave, and conquor - not to mention the late, yet still destructively effective Berlin Conference in 1884 which intended to segregated an colonize the continent for economic profit. I say all this to note that the europeans planned the destruction of Afrikan people, nations, and culture for years prior to them organizing themselves to get on these ships with weapons in order to execute these plans, which therefore make these crackers our eternal ENEMY - and if you didnt notice, they are doing this same exact thing with Africom. We cannot take the full blame for our current condition, but we can take ownership for changing our individual behaviors so as not to continue the cycle of self-destruction. We cannot forget that anthropologist and sociologist were hired to figure out how to destroy Afrikans (noted in the book A Dying Colonialism by Frantz Fanon) by eliminating our culture. We cannot forget the centuries of fear tactics, terroristic strategies, and laws that were used on the continent and here to keep us from practicing our culture, spiritual beliefs, dress in our clothes, name ourselves Afrikan names, build, own, read, marry, kwk. We cannot forget that the self destructive behaviors which began during slavery is what we see manifested in our communities today globally (Post Traumatic Slave Disorder by Dr. Joy Leary) Most importantly though, we cannot forget that we have resisted since the landing of them crackers on our home - Nzinga, Yaa Asantewaa, the 100 year resistance in our partnership with the Seminole Natives, Denmark Vesey, Nat Turner, the Quilumbos, Maroon societies, kwk - and it is these ancestors, and groups of ancestors, and what they accomplished that we need to keep in mind while we are preparing for our annihilation.

I say we need to prepare for annihilation because there is a possibility it may occur, though not a 100% truth, but it is better to be prepared for something that will not happen, then be taken by storm when it does - like we were with the slave trade, the berlin conference, tulsa, cointelpro, willie lynch, and now africom. In all of the people and groups that I mention we have to take into consideration that in every effort that we have taken to build something for ourselves, to become soverign (and we have many many many times over), the white boys have come and destroyed it - this is something we cannot forget and must prepare for. We have to learn how to live out of the sight of the european - maybe on a land he is not interested in. We have to learn how to build our houses, grow our food, mix our own herbal medicines, wash our clothes, create soap, create and operate weaponry - and all of the other things that are required when not living off of the amenities of white folks. If you operate or will operate an afrikan school, it is not enough to teach them math and reading -- we must institutionalize the tools we will need to survive in a soverign state. And I think if we can do these things in a place that is the enemy of the us and who's military is capable of defeating the us, then the few of us who will survive can procreate, build, organize, and prepare for our return home. In the meantime though, our brothers and sisters are going to be cleansed off the continent, and any other place where we have resources they need. Any black skinned people left on the continent will more than likely not be our brother or sister in heart, mind, spirit, or culture. We need to be patient and strategic - we are not prepared to fight now, and will not be prepared for many generations - the time now is to build quietly, under the radar. Europeans will eventually turn against eachother and destroy themselves, and when they are at their weakest, that is when we come back to reclaim what is rightfully ours.

Or at least, thats just what I think...

[Okpara Nosakhere]

The universe dictates our vibrations, what goes up must come down, if there is life there must be death, where there is love there must be hate. In being conscious of the fact that we live in accordance with the Laws of the Opposites, it is to be expected that opposing forces will have its time to reign. We have lost the awareness that this is apart of the natural order. We wish to romanticize that all can be "Perfect".
Not accepting the fact that out of darkness comes the light.

What continues to ensure balance is the awareness and the knowledge that our ancestors had laid a template for us to follow. This template has taken on many different forms in the guise of religion and philosophy. Through their formulation of the mystery or education system, we elevated to the conscious state of being gods, learning and knowing that we are here on this plain called earth because we chose to be here. "Know Thyself" is the sign or direction to a liberated state of consciousness.

When we rise from the beastly state to the godly state, there is no longer a fear of what will be. All is temporal. We chose to be here for a moment to fulfill our chosen purpose. The beauty in life is in the wonderment of our purpose not deception. We often pretend not to know, we look for salvation outside of ourselves instead of within.
Yes, our brothers and sisters who call themselves white are the major part of the great deception, because they have lost so much living in the environment of the dead, which we call the Ice Age. Adapting to a way of living that was absent of life as we know it.

So, they became the walking dead, the zombies amongst the living. Destroying all within their path from fear and their creation of a new god they called "Thor". Their true salvation will come, only from the knowledge of knowing who their mothers and fathers were. They yearn for self-knowledge, just as they yearn to be Black again by laying on the beach, but they are afraid.
However, "Truth crushed To Earth Shall Rise Again". As much as it seems worthless in teaching them, they will learn to accept in time. It is the will of the universe.
What goes up, must come down and what goes down must come up.

Htp,
Okpara

[MonikaMon]

I believe that the world would not be able to do without us. In fact I believe that if they did away with all of us none of them would survive because they are not capable to keep this planet in orbit ! I also believe if we get our minds on track in unity they will be put in their proper place, no doubt about that.
Love and Blessings,
Monika

[Obadele Kwame Kambon]

Do you believe that Black Tasmanians also believed a similar belief? Do you believe that the Arawak people also believed a similar belief? Do you believe the Herero felt the same in the face of the germans in the real holocaust? Or the dinosaurs?

I agree that we need to get on track, but I don't know if history supports the world not being in orbit without a particular group of people or beings.

Obadele

[Khepra the Evolutionary]

Yes it will.
Whether that means it will be as healthier or better planet without US is a different question.
As much as a agree with the conept of unity, I think that the strategy and tactics are been consistently erroneous.
As US Afrikans who are about Re-Afrikanization and others who are like minded in being supportive and committed to Self Reliance and Sovereignty, WE have to see OURSELVES in the same light as W.E.B. Dubois' talent tenth.
Yet what WE need to do is form unity within this tenth within this unity framework regard OURSELVES as the DILIGENT TENTH
WE have to see OURSELVES as the salvation OF OUR people.
Not because WE were born more talented, (whether truth or perceived) but because WE have chosen to be the DILIGENT TENTH because WE are more commmitted.
Let's get unity with the DILIGENT TENTH first before WE start thinking about unifying the majority of OUR people.

[Azania Speaks Power!]

Em Htp! Greetings!

It is with Full Knowing That EVERYTHING Is Within Divine Order in Your Lives, I Give Thanks!

Asante sana Loved Being Obadele for the insightful and stirring question!

First of all, let us be re-Minded that Ta is a B-E-I-N-G that has given Birth to Beings and Life Forms -- NOT the other way around. She is a Living, Thinking, Moving, B-E-I-N-G with a Will and Directive of Her OWN! We are in the best of our imaginations, her 'offspring,' and in the strictest of terms we are parasites! That being said, SHE does not need US in order to continue to BE or to find Balance. It is Arrogance and Folly for us to imagine otherwise!

Second, there are a Great Number of Peoples that have gone the way of extinction. If we step outside our current state of distress we can recall that the people of Pompeii were annihilated by volcanic disruption! Time will only tell of others. . . My point is there ARE cycles of life and Hue-persons do get terminated in some of these cycles. Again SHE does not need US!

Thirdly, as purported THINKING/REASONING Beings we apparently have the means with which to neutralize this genocidal attack upon us -- for all practical purposes Acts of Nature are not within the scope of Murder, Maiming, Rape and other inflicted/planned deaths of populations. Let us presume that there are forces outside of the Natural Order [cycles] that engender genocide: this can easily and simply be termed as 'evil.' It can also be qualified as 'un-Natural' and 'im-Balance' which would then bestow the responsibility to eradicate same upon those so afflicted. WE are the ones being murdered so WE are the ones to stop it -- By All Means!

Further, IF WE ARE Thinking/Reasoning Beings then we must assuredly recognize that our affinity for not looking the matter squarely in the face is also 'un-natural' and may well be evidence that WE are unworthy of life -- since WE appear incapable of choosing to stop death. . . If that is a logical sequence of Thought and Conclusion then WE ought to embrace the integrity of this truth and adjust to extinction graciously!

Lastly, we can rest assured that TA, the Earth Mother has her own Health and Well Being as HER major priority! Do not lapse into the illusion that SHE is without means to commune with other Stellar and so-called 'Planetary' Beings for assistance! RA, as the Sun, has altered it's radiation intensities and frequencies in response to her call AND there are others responding as well. . . We would prove to be utter and absolute fools to think otherwise and continue to place ourselves on the Pedestal of Arrogance known as the 'Ascendancy' and/or God/Goddezz Hood of 'Man!' We are only the offsprings [or by-products] of God/Goddezz to which TA is assuredly among that group. . . WE need HER in order to Live -- and if we are going to Live we must remove the threat of genocide by ALL Means -- some of which we will have to create and bring into being.

Looking 4ward 2 Da After Party With You,
Azania Speaks -- POWER!
©2008 S.U.R.-B.E.T. Publishing

[Thunder X]

It is my opinion that our race faces not extinction in the corporeal sense, but rather cultural extinction. It should be apparent to all that Afrikans are capable of surviving the most cruelest of conditions. To a certain extent, some of our ancient past has managed to manifest itself in certain of our behavior, and societal and artistic expression. The true test will be not will we survive as humans, but will we survive as Afrikans. The extinction of our identity is a more likely eventuality than physical extinction. What is occurring in our 'hoods throughout the world with regards to dwindling resources, crime, disease and murder may be seen as a "thinning of the herd", rather than genocide. Our existence is necessary to the maintenance of the White Supremacist Power Matrix (WSPM), it is our culture (our core identity) that is a anathema to the Matrix. The WSPM takes what is is useful to its existence and continued dominance, and discards or destroys that which is not. So long as there remains any semblance of our cultural identity, there will be resistance; this is why the slave-master took great pains to whip (terrorize) any indication of our culture from our ancestors. Our bodies are always going to be necessary to the Matrix. Our minds are also necessary, so long as they are programmed to serve the Matrix, and not self, family, community or race. The constant barrage of terror visited upon us guarantees our submission and servitude to the WSPM. Many of us are dying, and many more will die; their can be no doubt of this. The primary threat against us is the eradication and co-optation of our culture and history. Whites have been and are constantly re-writing history; they claim concepts and inventions that should be attributed to others; when our people create a new art form (Jazz, Blues, Funk, Rock & Roll, Reggae, Hip Hop), they slap the tag "universal" onto it which implies the art form miraculously sprang into existence, i.e. no one is responsible for creating it, therefore no one can claim it to be their own (the latter always heralds the co-optation of our music). Fools that we are, Afrikans are all too quick to allow this to happen. What kind of people will we be 100 years from now without our cultural birthrights? We will be at best automatons (we are headed down this road now with our conspicuous consumption as mind-less consumers), and at worse, slaves. Culture gives a race purpose, meaning, direction, inspiration, etc. (see: Dr. Marimba Ani, Dr. Amos Wilson, Dr. Kobi Kazembe Kalongi Kambon). Without our culture, we are empty shells waiting to be programmed by those who would have us do their will; zombies. Living but dead.

This is the extinction we face.

[Sentwali]

We must seek that which is inside...that which is unseen in order that we may remain on the planet. Addtionally, those who support the continued existence of the universe will remain. This starts with the self. We cannot bring balance and stability to the planet without first bringing balance and stability within and without our own being.

Any thought or creation that is derived from an un balanced body has infact derived from and un balanced mind and thus will produce an un balanced destructive creation.