Should "God/god" be used to refer to Afrikan Spiritual Entities?

[Obadele Kwame Kambon]

Should "God/god" be used to refer to Afrikan Spiritual Entities?

Click this link to vote in the poll: http://www.abibitumikasa.com/forums/afrikan-spiritual-systems/36510...

[Ezzrath Baht Shem]

In my opinion, I feel that it should be up to individual preference. I have come to understand that in reality our creation is greatly dependent upon intent and individual imagination & spiritual persuation more than the HUMAN LANGUAGE at any cult level. I do not believe that the original human beings used language for communication and thus our "Gods/gods" were never refered to as Gods/gods in any sort of spoken language period. Once we understand that our species have become so very retarded and backward we may then began to grasp the importance of the will of human consciousness over then need for spoken words. Until then, I personally do use the words Gods/gods/angels/aliens according to the intelligence level of the person to whom I am speaking just so that we have the same page of understanding. However, on the spiritual level once one does have a personal working relationship with a higher entity and is given that entity's name, the utmost respect for the name and what he/she chooses to his/her reference should be held to the utmost degree of respect.

[Torkwase]

I am glad you asked that question. When I am dealing personally I call the energies by their names (Orisa, Abisom, etc.) However we also have to keep in mind, even these are not their "names" for example Yemoja means "mother whose children are fish" - this is a description, but not the totality of the energy.

God/god/Allah/Buddha/Selassie - these are just connecting points so that the energy referred to can be described or identified.

And in terms of identification, i believe you have to speak to people in a language they can understand. Everybody is not going to understand Orisa, etc. or even "energies" or "spirits" for that matter, but they can relate to other terms.

If when sharing with others, we use terms they can grasp, then as time progresses they can be open to learning more.

I write about some of these things in my book. Check out the video on youtube that explains some:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNR7Ah6hDFQ
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[Obadele Kwame Kambon]

From Bro JaiEl on African Warrior Tradition:

FOR YOU PEOPLE WHO DO THE RESEARCH THE WORD GOD IS A REPLACEMENT FOR THE DEITY GAD CHECK OUT THE FOLLOWING! WHEN PEOPLE INVOKE THE NAME OF THIS SO CALLED GOD/god/GAD THEY ARE INVOKING A VERY POWERFUL DEITY AND NOT THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE! DO THE RESEARCH AND CHECK IT OUT A LOT OF INFO ON GAD/GOD IS AVAILABLE IN THE LIBARY OR OCCULT BOOK STORES,SO WHEN THESE SO CALLED CHIRSTIAN/OR OTHERS SAY GOD THEY ARE REALLY SAYING GAD A PAGAN GOD ACORDING TO THERE SYSTEM OF WORSHIP. I HAVE PUT JUST A LITTLE INFORMATION BELOW ON THIS POST. IF YOU WANT TO SAY THE NAME OF GAD/GOD REMEMBER YOU ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!! PLEASE REPLY!!:-?
Gad was the name of the pan-Semitic god of fortune, and is attested in ancient records of AGad was the name of the pan-Semitic god of Aram and Arabia.
Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary says that the origin of the word `god' comes from a Germanic word `gad,' pronounced as "gohdt."

The Britons (later called Bretons) gradually converted the Armorican Celts, then mainly pagans, to Christianity. The Armoricans and Bretons alike referred to their chief deity (Jupiter via Thor) as Gad, pronounced, "Gawd," and once converted to Christianity, used the same title for the Supreme God of the Bible. The Anglo-Saxon Celts and German Goths who also had Gad in their dialect, are mainly responsible for changing its form from Gad to god, or God. This can be seen directly thru the Danes and Dutch spelling of Gad as God.

GOD

Gothic = guth

German = gott

Dutch = god

Anglo-Saxon = god

Icelandic (Old Norse) = goth[23]

One can easily observe the transition from the Gothic guth to the Old Norse goth, then the declension to German gott and Dutch god. The same word is Godded as a transitive verb; means, "to make into a god." The Aramaic gedad (to cut down) is the same word as its Hebrew counterpart gadad (to gash). The Aramaic gedad is phonetically identical to the transitive verb form of the English, "Godded," (a guttural pronounced ghed-ad'). The English word is later modified to identify three primary deities in the polytheistic Gothic triad Jupiter, Sun, and Moon.



The word Godded in its modern form, "Godhead," was introduced in 1611 and used in the translation of the King James Authorized Version (See Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20; Colossians 2:9). It was during this same time frame throughout Europe and particularly in Britain, the ecclesiastic use of `gad' as a noun became widespread as a minced form of "God." That the clerical community was no doubt aware of Gad's notoriety and association with pagan Jupiter worship. Nevertheless, the vast majority of Europe's populations converted to Christianity continued using "Gad" interjectionally as a mild oath.

The interjection of Gad as a word in speaking or writing throughout the 1600's continued and the gradual change in the spelling from Gad to God occurred over a lengthy period of time. Gad was thrown in between words connected in construction, to express passion about one's faith in the Almighty. Thus Gad went from a word spoken in hushed tones as the truth of its pagan origins was suppressed, then gradually used by clergy to extenuate in representation. That's a technical way of saying, "Yeah, we know Gad is a poor choice for `God' in our religious vocabulary, but so many people use it, that it's just easier to compromise the truth and appease the people than to step on toes."

Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary Copyright© by Random House Publishing Inc. 1996 traces the etymology of Gad between 1600-1610 AD and defines it as, "a euphemism for God as a mild oath." That Gad was used as a euphemism for `God' in 1600 is not at all surprising, but it is amazing how woefully silent our ignorance has made us as Christians that we do not even question the frequent use of this word. It appears the Pre-Reformation influence was emerging from centuries of Roman Catholic Church oppression and darkness and people wanted to say God's name. It seems `Godded' (to make into a god) was more acceptable than `Gadsbodikin, ' an Old Norse word from Middle English used as a euphemism for "God's body, or God's form."

Oddly, the exact history of the word God is unknown. The word God is a relatively new European invention, which was never used in any of the ancient Judaeo-Christian scripture manuscripts that were written in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek or Latin.
Etymology of the Word "God"

(Anglo-Saxon God; German Gott; akin to Persian khoda; Hindu khooda).

The root-meaning of the name (from Gothic root gheu; Sanskrit hub or emu, "to invoke or to sacrifice to") is either "the one invoked" or "the one sacrificed to." From different Indo-Germanic roots (div, "to shine" or "give light"; thes in thessasthai "to implore") come the Indo-Iranian deva, Sanskrit dyaus (gen. divas), Latin deus, Greek theos, Irish and Gaelic dia, all of which are generic names; also Greek Zeus (gen. Dios, Latin Jupiter (jovpater), Old Teutonic Tiu or Tiw (surviving in Tuesday), Latin Janus, Diana, and other proper names of pagan deities. The common name most widely used in Semitic occurs as 'el in Hebrew, 'ilu in Babylonian, 'ilah in Arabic, etc.; and though scholars are not agreed on the point, the root-meaning most probably is "the strong or mighty one."

[NANASOM]

Mikyia wo (Greetings),

When any "semetic" origin is mentioned for such etymologies, we must always remember that those whom are fancied "semetic" didn't create anything. The whites and their offspring who invaded what is now termed the "middle east" and other areas corrupted the languages, names, descriptive titles, etc. and added them to their languages.

The term for soul in Kamit is Ka. The feminine term is Kat or Kait. There is Male and Female Deity Whom are the "Soul" of Amen and Amenet. They are called Ka and Kat (Kait). (Ka becomes Kra in Akan, the soul)

Ka (Kah) when mis-pronounced with a nasal 'a' or with a near "glottal stop" by the indo-europeean sounds like Kad (Gahd). Kait or Kat (Kah-ette or Kah-eet or Kaht) once corrupted in the greek fashion by adding an 's' becomes Kates or Kaites (Goddess). (Another example of this white/greek linguistic practice is how Heru or Horu becomes Horu-s/Horus in greek, Ausar becomes Ausar-s/Osiris, etc.).

When the whites and their offspring pronounced Ka and Kait in a corrupt form, it sounded like Ka(d) and Kait-es (God and Goddess). This is why "God" is defined by them as the "Great Soul/Oversoul" etc.

They still have no connection nor understanding of Ka and Kait and Their relationship to Amen and Amenet. Also, in typical indo-european fashion, they subordinated the idea of Kait (Goddess) to Ka (God) and made the idea of "God" Supreme and and that of "Goddess" inferior----and eventually made the idea of "Goddess" non-existent.

Here is a link to a metutu/hieroglyphic representation of Ka and Kait, the "Grandmother and Grandfather of the Deites". We post this link so that the symbols can be viewed...the commentary by the author of the book in the link is not complete nor conclusive by any definition.

Click here: http://books.google.com/books?id=AV3t1tUJHZUC&pg=PA286&lpg=...

Ma asomdwoee-Hetep (Peace)..

[Obadele Kwame Kambon]

Are you recommending the use of the words "God", "Goddess" and/or "Horus" due to tracing these etymologically to Kmt? I think I know your work and sense to much for the answer to be yes.

I very often find Afrikans who justify being in christianity and every other form of insanity due to being able to trace it to Kmt as yt has corrupted and refashioned Hrw in their own image as jesus/yeshua along with other plagiarisms like the hymn of Akhenaton. Should we then use jesus and Hrw interchangeably or even sicker, just stop using Hrw and replace it with jesus for some reason? We know that theirs is a stolen legacy. The question then becomes, why do we not return to the source and let that stand in and of itself as opposed to legitimating their theft and subsequently legitimate their decrepit understanding of Afrikan Entities/Terms/Concepts by equating their mispronunciations and misunderstandings with that which is ours?

[NANASOM]

Mikyia wo,

Your sense of our position is correct....

The only reason to trace the etymological origins of such terms is so that we can stop using them....and understand why we must use our linguistic terms---all of which have mantric value.

Once we, Afurakanu/Afuraitkaitnut (Africans~Black People) learn of Heru and Khensu and how Their names were corrupted into hesus/yeshua, we should understand why we should/can only invoke Heru and Khensu by Their proper names. The only time we should mention jesus/yeshua is when discussing that fact that they never existed and the fact that we shouldn't use these corrupt titles which have no spiritual value/potency whatsoever.

Once we learn of Ka and Kait, we should understand why we should/can only invoke Them by Their proper names (includes of course Their various manifestations in Afuraka/Afuraitkait amongst the Akan, Yoruba, Bakongo, etc.). The only time we use the terms god and goddess is when we are explaining in some fashion the trustorical origin of Religion and its corruption by the whites and their offspring.

The reality is that jesus, yeshua, god, goddess etc. are not at all the same as Heru, Khensu, Ka and Kait.

jesus, yeshua, god, goddess, moses, muhammed, etc. are corruptions of titles and descriptive titles of Abosom (Forces in Nature).

Once the titles and descriptive titles were corrupted by the whites, they added these corrupt titles to manufactured white characters.

The white fake gods, were at first nameless statues, icons, sculptures, etc. These life-less white images were then given corrupt titles: jesus, yeshua, muhammed, god, goddess, etc.

Now you had a figure/image with a name. The manufactured history/cosmology was then attached to the newly formed fictional white characters with the corrupted titles/perverse names. The creation of the "entity" was now complete.

However, such entities are not in any shape, form or fashion representative of the actual Abosom/Orisha/Vodou etc.

jesus/yeshua is not Heru
god and goddess are not Ka and Kait
muhammed is not Mu Hap Meht (Nile Deity)

and so on...

They are nothing more than perverse despiritualized titles with no power to re-align us with anything. They simply reinforce the chains on our spirituality when we continue to invoke them as though they have potency.


Ma asomdwoee-Hetep....

[Obadele Kwame Kambon]

Ampa! Good words! True!

This is what I would also like other Afrikans to understand so I'm glad that this thread facilitated this coming out. Oftentimes I hear Afrikans saying "our gods and goddesses" and it hits my ears as "our versions of whitey perversions" or "our equal signs shackling Afrikan Entities to whitey's perversions". This topic actually came up on the Sankofa Journey of the usage of these terms.

We are in agreement on this and I think we could both agree with how this view is expressed in the following quote:

"African champions must break the chain
that links African ideas to European ones
and listen to the voice of the ancestors
without European interpreters."

Dr. Jacob Hudson Carruthers
Jedi Shemsu Jehewty
(February 15, 1930—January 4, 2004)

Stay BlackNificent!

Mema wo asomdwoee

Obadele

(are you using Ma asomdwoee in the imperative, as in "Give peace!" as a command?)

Meda ase

[NANASOM]

Mikyia wo,

Aane...we must recognize the power and common spiritual sense inherent in utilizing our language.

Now that you brought it up...it also goes to the notion of why it is foolish to pray in english.

We have mentioned that if one only knows seven Afurakani/Afuraitkaitnit words...then have a seven-word prayer...until you learn more. The Nanansom Nsamanfo know what you're trying to do and praying in our Ancestral languages not only strengthens our connection and receptivity to Them, it also rejuvenates our own spiritual centers including the physical shrines for the Abosom within our bodies---our organs and organs' systems.

Invocatory transmissions in Twi, Yoruba, Fongbe, Tswana, etc. have ramifications that many of us have not yet explored...

Ma asomdwoee (like the contraction of mema wo akye to ma akye....mema wo asomdwoee to ma asomdwoee)....

[Obadele Kwame Kambon]

Ampa! To do so is BlackSolutely unacceptable. In this line, as you know, we teach correct Akan libation format and as a matter of fact had that on the syllabus for Intermediate Twi a few weeks ago. Even in our day to day interactions...that's why we are working to bring Afrikans to the point of switching from "at least we could say..." to "At every opportunity I will say everything in an Afrikan language"

BlackSolutely.

I thought that this was the case. Because ma asomdwoee is not a standard contraction like maakye (one word), maaha and maadwo, which are fossilized remnants of a now non-productive process, ma asomdwoee will have no meaning in Twi outside of the imperative (Give peace...i.e. as a command), which is the only productive process in which the subject is omitted. Also the latter are intro greetings as opposed to leave-taking greetings.

[NANASOM]

Mikyia wo,

Meda ase for the distinction between ma asomdwoee and mema wo asomdwoee..

Aane...just as the process of Revolution-Resolution is incomplete without the foundation of Afurakani/Afuraitkaitnit (African) Ancestral Religion, so is the practice of Afurakani/Afuraitkaitnit Ancestral Religion incomplete without the embrace of Afurakani/Afuraitkaitnit language.

I.e., there is no such thing as a Black Revolution-Resolution rooted in "afrocentric christianity" or "bilalian islam" or "black hebrewism". We cannot purport to be in revolt against something (the whites and their offspring and their culture) while we are simultaneously reinforcing it in nearly every aspect of our existence. Making a complete revolution is making a complete return (re-volve (to turn, roll, back)) to our point/condition of origin (sankofa).

However, once we have returned we cannot achieve resolution (re-solve (to unravel)) until we recognize how our cosmology is rooted in our speech. We recognize it to a degree through sight, sound and feeling (seeing the Abosom and, Nsamanfo, hearing and feeling them) but we must complete the process through studying speech/language.

As you touched upon, at some point every emanation from us should be a configuration of harmonious vibrations. We may see or project the Abosom (via harmonious visual vibrations/emanations)...we may hear and feel the Abosom (harmonious rhythmic vibrations/emanations through ritual dance, postures, song (humming, clapping) etc.)...so then we must make the vibrations/emanations--soundwaves--which we project from our mouths be a harmonious configuration of projections/vibrations/emanations...energy...as well.

The lack of understanding the ramifications of studying language manifests through groups of Afurakanu/Afuraitkaitnut who are "priests/esses" in Afurakani/Afuraitkaitnit Ancestral Religions (Yoruba, Akan, Bakongo, Ewe, Igbo, etc.), yet are perpetuating white/perverse culture/ideas/psuedo-beliefs in the process.

Me ma wo asomdwoee--Hetep..

[Obadele Kwame Kambon]

I agree with you on the importance of language in connecting with the spiritual systems of our traditions. I just sent out something about iwa rere vs iwa pele on another ning. The discussion is an illustration of what happens when we don't study the language thoroughly.

Yoo, yEnni aseda o.

Me nso mema wo asomdwoeE.